Summary
[Because these notes are most for my use, unless you're feeling like a food wonk]I thoroughly browned and slowly braised the beef with a large amount of liquid (combo chix / beef stock) for about 4 hours. Degreased and reduced the liquid, thickened with a roux. Sliced beef and put "debris" in gravy.
Warmed the sliced, slightly disintegrating beef in the gravy, spooned liberal amounts of beef and gravy onto my test Poor Boy bread dressed with mayo, pickle slices, shredded iceberg, and ripe local tomato slices.
Consensus of diners (many of whom were unacquainted with this genre and / filling of sandwich) was very encouraging. Interesting that many commented on the contribution of the pickles as a contrast to the richness of the meat + gravy. Mario deemed it "very, very close" but felt that the bread was enough of a distraction that he is going to sample today sans bread. I'm really happy with it, I'm not even sure whether tweaking is necessary.
Details
Used this recipe as a starting point.Rolled chuck, divided into two pieces to fit into dutch ovens, tied with string into more cylindrical shape.
Starting weight: 19.75 lbs
Yield: 10.75 lbs meat, approx 1 gal. "debris" gravy
Browned thoroughly on all sides in canola oil over medium high heat, removed. A couple of garlic slivers snuck out, and got very dark, so removed. Added 4 large yellow onions, unpeeled, 10 large carrots, all coarsely diced (divided between pots), covered, turned heat down to low and let them sweat for about ten minutes, then removed lid and used released liquid to dissolve fond.
When onions were slightly browned, added a total of 5 large bay leaves and approximately 1 Tbs. dried thyme. Returned roasts to pans. Used about a 50/50 combination of beef and chicken Better than Bouillon with boiling water to bring liquid 3/4 of the way up the roasts. Probably roughly 1 gallon total. Brought to simmer, covered and turned to low. After about 30 minutes, noticed it was simmering a little too hard and moved to 325 degree oven. (It already smells pretty good ).
Because we wanted to get in line at Edgefield to secure our favorite location for the Jack White concert, I needed to have the oven automatically turn off, so I set it to go off when the roasts had cooked four hours total, they then sat in the oven until we returned home at 10:30PM.
Removed meat to trays and wrapped in foil, combined liquids in one pot and placed both in fridge (meat taste and texture seemed perfect). Next day, thoroughly degreased congealed fat from the liquid, removed bay leaves, and reduced by about a quarter. Not as thick as I wanted it to be, but starting to get a little salty (due to bouillon base). Strained and pressed through onion and carrot solids. Color is great--very rich looking. The onion skins helped with that.
Decided to thicken by cooking a medium brown roux, 6Tbs butter / 1-1/2 c flour.
At serving time, thinly sliced the beef (thank god for recently sharpened knives), put all of the "debris", that is, the meat bits that crumbed away during slicing, into the gravy.
Warmed the sliced, slightly disintegrating beef in the gravy, spooned liberal amounts of beef and gravy onto Poor Boy bread dressed with mayo, pickle slices, shredded iceberg, and ripe local tomato slices.
Consensus of diners (many of whom were unacquainted with this genre and / filling of sandwich) was very encouraging. Interesting that many commented on the contribution of the pickles as a contrast to the richness of the meat + gravy. Mario deemed it "very, very close" but felt that the bread was enough of a distraction that he is going to sample today sans bread. I'm really happy with it, I'm not even sure whether tweaking is necessary. I'll write up the bread making experience separately, but it was noticeable to all that it's hard to eat. That is characteristic of the RBPB, though...include LOTSA napkins.
Two things I do want to try:
- Cooking in pressure cooker to save time and possibly reduce shrinkage
- Cooking the beef slightly less--to see if the slices hold together a little better without being either stringy or tough.